June 22, 2021

Ginger Stache

On this week's episode of Trevor Talks, I have the privilege of sitting down with Ginger Stache. As an Emmy Award-winning journalist and documentarian, Ginger is always ready for an adventure. Tune in to hear her unpack her new book, "Chasing Wonder: Small Steps Toward a Life of Big Adventure." This episode is packed full of wisdom, encouragement, and stories of overcoming the tough times in life.

On this week's episode of Trevor Talks, I have the privilege of sitting down with Ginger Stache. As an Emmy Award-winning journalist and documentarian, Ginger is always ready for an adventure. Tune in to hear her unpack her new book, "Chasing Wonder: Small Steps Toward a Life of Big Adventure. "This episode is packed full of wisdom, encouragement, and stories of overcoming the tough times in life.

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Trevor Tyson  0:01  
Thank you for tuning in to Trevor talks podcast where we talk to real people about real topics and real stories. Today we have an amazing guest with us. And she's got an amazing message that she just put out into the world. Her book chasing wonder just came out yesterday and I'm super thrilled for this conversation. Gingers stocky is an Emmy Award winning documentarian, writer, producer talk show host and most recently, the author of chasing wonder small steps towards a life of adventure. Here is my conversation with Miss ginger, stocky. Ginger, thank you so much for joining us today.

Ginger Stache  0:38  
Thank you, Trevor, I'm really excited to do this. I've been looking forward to it.

Trevor Tyson  0:42  
I'm just thrilled to have you just going over the book and the conversation that I believe God is gonna bless so much, and really just help people be delivered from that life of just feeling like they're living a temporary, full day to day flow. And that your book just highlights that chasing the idea of living a life of wonder. And I'm just I'm excited to see people break through and find freedom in that.

Ginger Stache  1:06  
That's my prayer absolutely in this. And I think you're describing it really well what a lot of people are feeling. And especially right now with the pandemic and everything that's happened, all those things that have kind of been put on hold or even stripped away from us losses that we've had, that it is easy to feel, fear and anxiety, depression, just so many considerations of what's next for me, is there anything good out there? And we want to tell people? Yes, yes, there absolutely is.

Trevor Tyson  1:41  
And that's phenomenal. And you've lived quite the amazing life so far. And from what I can tell God is still working within you and opening more doors for you to walk through. And I really want to get behind. So you're an Emmy Award winner. And when people hear that they're like, oh, like big stature, you know, just astronomical dreams and such. But was that always the dream for you to do exactly what you're doing now.

Ginger Stache  2:06  
You know, it's interesting how our dreams, of course, are so big and so important. I, I really encourage people to dream for your life, to ask God what it should be, of course, for him to lead us but we have to have dreams. But our dreams also change and, and shift and mold with different seasons of our life. But yeah, there were so many things I remember when I was in college, writing down a list of dreams that I had, really praying about it. And of course, not knowing exactly where God would lead. But I wanted very much to be able to share people's stories. I'm a storyteller at heart. So that's kind of my passion. So I love this opportunity for journalism and television. And to be able to share amazing stories, and really what God was doing in people's lives. And so I had so many great opportunities to travel the world tell incredible stories, do documentaries, host some talk shows different things to be able to do that. So that was definitely a dream come true for me. But in that I learned that even when so I had several Emmy nominations. And you're you're always kind of waiting for that one that they call your name up there. But even when that happened, which was such a blessing and an encouragement and, and a good thing, but it was not the end all be all to everything I thought I needed in my life. And I think sometimes we put such an importance on goals and aspirations. And then we realize that sometimes it is the other things of life that are so much more valuable than we ever realized whether it's the little every day moments that we have with our family or times that we just see something amazing and God's creation, those those other things that are also so important. And of course, I had writing a book on my list. So I'm very, very grateful that that's something that is coming to fruition now. And I'm so excited about it. But why I'm excited about it is to be able to encourage people toward their dreams and their big adventures. So that is a real answer to prayer for me.

Trevor Tyson  4:19  
Yes. And I'm super, I'm glad you said that it wasn't the end all be all, because so many people think like, oh, it'd be so cool to win a Grammy or an Emmy. And they put like this godlike stature on it. And it becomes, you know, in their life, especially for musicians and actors, actresses like that. They think it's going to become their identity, and that's just going to heal and solve all their problems. So it's just so powerful for someone that's been there to actually highlight. Hey, it's cool. The accolades are great, but it's not better than being a GG being a grandma being right there being a father like it's not going to heal All your wounds,

Ginger Stache  5:01  
right that we do, we put so much pressure on ourselves also to reach those goals because we think that that will be what fulfills us. And it never will be that one thing that fulfills us. And so I think it's so valuable to have these discussions and talk to people about, yes, God has success for you. He has accomplishments and good things for you. But as far as fulfillment comes for to fill that place in your heart, that we all really need to be valued and loved is not going to come from a public accolade. It's going to come from a different type of relationship, and there's only one place you can get it. So we've got to have that foundation in Christ, or none of the other things will satisfy the need, and you're always gonna be striving for the next thing and disappointed.

Trevor Tyson  5:57  
Yeah, and one thing a lot of people don't put into consideration once you win that big accolade. It's not like you're going to the grocery store, and you're like, I'm a, I'm a winner, I'm, I deserve better treatment. No, like, you're gonna get it. And people think it's going to change their life, but you literally will wake up, put your pants on the exact same way. Go to the grocery store, swipe your card, like, it's not that that's going to change your life. And I believe Jesus offers that peace, and just the life with family and realizing that, you know, this is the big wonder behind it all. Why do people win accolades and awards? A lot of times, it's because it's a unique thing that they brought to society that just really influenced and helped people overcome obstacles. And with the new book, The overall message is about conquering your fear and stepping up to something amazing that God has waiting for you. And it's also about breaking out of routine and discovering how much God really has for you. What point in life did this message start marinating in your soul and really just begin to come to fruition?

Ginger Stache  7:03  
For me, this has been something that has been a part of my life for as long as I can remember, honestly, it's, there's a verse and it's in Philippians, chapter one and Paul, in different versions that reads differently. But Paul, basically praise the Lord let their joy in you overflow on account of my being with them. And that's just been a prayer that that I have prayed for my life. Every day, honestly, for as long as I can remember, I, I really want Christ to come alive and other people's lives and that joy of him to overflow in them. And so that's something that I've always prayed. And of course, some days go well, and some days don't go so well. And that choice doesn't quite overflow the way I wanted to. But that that's been a goal. And it's been a really important part of my life. And so, in exploring that, and in praying for that for many, many years, I've learned so much about the wonder of God, and how much he has for each and every one of us, because some of our friends who are listening right now are in a role or in a career or a position where they're going to have a major accolade. And they're saying, I'm just trying to survive today. You know, I'm just trying to get through the monotony of the work that I have on my checklist to do and I believe strongly and it's so clear in God's word, that what He has for us is much bigger than our checklist. For every one of us, no matter what our job is, no matter what our family relationship is like, no matter what our roles are. God has such love and the fruit of his Spirit, to be shaken up in our life. And that includes joy and peace, and kindness and gentleness, and all those wonderful things that we all crave and desire. So I've kind of studied on my life, how to make these things bubble up and hopefully overflow into other people.

Trevor Tyson  9:09  
I love that. And I really want to dive into your story, ginger, because your personality, the the energy that you carry, it just really encourages me and I want to hear the story behind you like, what has God done in your life that has brought you into this season of really just, or whether you realize it or not right now, like this story has the capacity to change the world and you're the chief creative officer for Joyce Meyer ministries. And a lot of people know Joyce's story but I'm really interested to hear your story and how, how you became the woman you are today?

Ginger Stache  9:48  
Well, I'm one of those people who have had that thought that many, many Christians have that I don't have a great testimony. Therefore I don't know that guy can Ever used me to help other people. So many of us feel that way, I don't have a big transformation story. I grew up in a Christian home and I walked closer to God each each day each year, you know, kind of coming in and going at different times, but never had that big transformation, that big testimony and therefore had kind of that barrier, that I thought, oh, you know, I'll do what I can, I'll do whatever you ask me, Lord. But I don't think you can use me in very big ways, because I don't have that story to share. And I've learned so much about the blessing of grace on our lives, how it is such a wonderful story, to have had the opportunity to walk with God for so many years, and to learn so many things along the way to have adventures and misadventures. And through all of it, even when I have seen bad things, even when I've seen some really, really difficult times in my life, but through all of it to see God's mercy and His grace and His love. And so that's been a big part of my story. So, as I said, going into television at that point, and having that real desire to write and tell other people's stories in a in a powerful way that encourages other people. And so in doing that, I've had the opportunity to travel all over the world and see so many incredible things. And then about 18 years ago, I got a call from Joyce Meyer ministries, and they were looking for someone at that time to be the head of their television area. And so after some time praying about it, because I was pretty settled where I was, you know, first it was like, No, thank you so much. But God just kept saying, you know, you need to think about this, and they kept calling back. And so eventually it was one of those things where it was a, I cannot say no to this, it's so obvious that this is what God wants. For our family. It was not just for me, it was for our family. So we all picked up and we moved to St. Louis, Missouri. And it's been 18 years now that I've been a part of Joyce Meyer ministries, and also sharing the stories of the things that we're able to do to help other people through our outreach arm hand of hope. So in that I think that's what shaped a lot of what I'm writing in this book, too, because our adventures are not just those big, crazy stories, which of course, I have many of those disappear in the book. And they're a lot of fun to talk about. But but it's also the hardships that we face, it's Adventures of compassion. It's Adventures of crying with someone else who needs someone to just love them like Jesus would. So when you think about what God's calling you to, or what your dreams are, what your adventures are in life, it is not always what you think. And there are so many good things that come out of even the hard times and the disappointments and some of the terrible places on the planet that I've been the trash dumps that I've seen children working in, and the red light districts where I've seen women trapped in human trafficking, and just thought, God, where are you, you know, you can't be here in this terrible place. And seen after God being very patient with me and putting up with my fits and tantrums and anger, that he definitely was that he works, to restore lives that things in the world are not always lucky once and I know that things in our lives are not always like we would have chosen, or even that he would have chosen for us heartbreak loss, but he is in the midst of those things. And if we can keep our focus on him, it really changes so many things for us.

Trevor Tyson  14:00  
And do you consider yourself an adventurous person?

Ginger Stache  14:04  
I do. I do consider myself an adventurous person. But I also consider my husband an adventurous person. And he would say the opposite. Because adventure can be defined in many different ways. So I'm the kind of adventurous person that will paraglide and jump off a cliff or you know, swim with the sharks, different things that I that I love, but you don't have to have that adrenaline surge or a risk of life and limb for adventure. So my husband and I we love to travel together, but we'll be doing very different things while I'm jumping off that cliff. He's standing with his feet firmly planted at a safe distance and happy as can be because he's living his adventure too. And so I think all of us can have what I like to call an adventure mentality where we kind of wake up With that opportunity to make a decision, I can be bored and settled and just live with what's happening probably dissatisfied. Or I can say, I believe that today brings with it the opportunities for God to show me something great to meet wonderful people to learn a lesson. I don't know what it may be, it might be the smile of a child that I love. And that's enough for today. But I believe there's that opportunity in every day. So I do see myself as an adventurous person. And I think everybody can be but what about you, Trevor? Do you see yourself as an adventurous person,

Trevor Tyson  15:42  
you know, I've break I've broken out of the shell of being comfortable at all time, you know, I have gone through like, traumatic experiences with anxiety and panic attacks. And actually, it is a big part of my story for three years, I let it steal my life. And I started working in corporate America found success there, purchase my first home at 19. But I was not happy. I was just becoming obsessed with the position I was with. And just really let it take me and I was like, before then I was touring, able to speak and do things that I felt like God had called me to. But my senior year of high school, it all just kind of crumbled with panic disorder. And I found identity in that for about three years, which is so unfortunate, but it's a part of my story. Before that, I was like you I was like, my story is so boring. And you know, when you start saying things like that, you're kind of opening yourself up to like, go up. Maybe like, God, don't be careful what you ask God for, because sometimes he'll give you that, just that. And so I struggled through that. And then I was like, You know what, I'm not happy here. I'm not thriving. I'm not living an adventurous life. I'm not fulfilled. On the outside, it looks like I'm living the American dream. But I'm really not in a place where I'm happy. If I were to die right now not be happy with like, see, I'm living. So I started going through therapy. And really just found that passion again, that inner child that I had for doing live events. And speaking, I had always been drawn towards, like, when I was a kid, you can ask my mom, I was like, I'm gonna be a meteorologist. But no, I want to be Elvis Presley. And maybe I want to be a tornado chaser. But it all involves using my voice and being on camera and really just navigating stories like now I really relate to all that. Yeah, being a conversationalist. And you don't have to be a speaker or this or that you're we all have unique callings. And for me, I feel it's like leading conversations. And of course, after the panic disorder and everything, I was like, Oh, I'm never going to be able to be back on the same stages. I was doing summer festivals with my favorite artists. And, you know, I trusted God and said yes, to go to therapy and to walk through that. And as Second Kings to nine says, like, ask for a double portion of God's Spirit. And three months later, I was back doing exactly what I left off doing. And God really blessed that Yes. And so it's not like I'm going to jump off mountains and everything kind of adventure. But here I am in Nashville versus being in social circle, Georgia, where I grew up. And it's funny because I have a home there. But I'm practically living in Nashville full time now. And I'm chasing god. I'm chasing winners he had. And like, on the way back to Nashville last week, I haven't shared this story publicly, we literally encountered a tornado. So I was bringing my dog with me. And we, you could see it, the trees were bending went right by us. And see through the rain hitting the windshield, and then hail came and you could literally see the debris just going everywhere. In the midst of that dark storm. I felt so at peace as like just having your life flash before your eyes seeing one of the most destructive things that kills 1000s of people a year. Just seeing it go through. And as we were going into the storm, I was like, Oh, it can never happen to us, you know, because I'm a hardcore lover of like, just watching tornadoes and such. And I know all the signs and such. And I was like, Oh, it wouldn't happen to us. And then the rain just kept getting harder and harder. And then hail hit and then you can see the debris and everybody's parking under bridges and nobody's moving and wow, that's scary. Yeah, I didn't feel anxiety in that point, though. I can. I can say that like I was, you know, God, if this is the moment, take me, you know, and in that moment, I was like, God's really moving because if that were to happen any other time I'd have been freaking out. Doing. God knows what but

Ginger Stache  19:50  
natural progress when you see progress in your life,

Trevor Tyson  19:54  
and most people would be like, Oh, I don't even want to know the things that came out of your mouth. I didn't curse nothing like that. It was like Well, God, this is beautiful, like, and then it passed. And we made our way back here. And I had no hail damage or anything like that. But that's just one of those moments that I can see progress, as you said, and it should be celebrated. Yeah, it's like, whoo. But definitely, I'm sitting here talking with you about your story and navigating through the wonders in life. It's just so cool for me to have that realization, like, Oh, that is progress. And we had that here, and everybody gets to experience it. But it's just no wild to see how God takes us on those journeys in life.

Ginger Stache  20:36  
It is. And I think it's really because you did something that's very difficult, but you stepped out and you risked you faced your fears, the anxiety, the different things that you were dealing with, and you said, God, I'm going to trust you to go into therapy to get the help that you needed. That is huge. And that is such a brave thing to do. And I think that if we can all get to that point where we take small steps, then we see that God is faithful that we can trust him. And, and we can take more small steps and a lot of small steps become a long journey. And so I think that's so encouraging. I love your story.

Trevor Tyson  21:21  
I love your story. And I have to know with you being such an adventurous person, you've been to the African bush, you've been all over the world. What is the wildest thing that's happened to you on this journey?

Ginger Stache  21:33  
Wild as well, that that's, that's a difficult thing to nail down. There was a tiger attack that I witnessed, there was a very, very dodgy situation in a refugee camp where there have been many times that we just did not know what was going to happen. And we're just praying, God, please protect us. But one of the craziest things that ever happened was not dangerous. But I didn't know it at the time, it felt very dangerous. We were in Papua New Guinea. And we were in the highlands in a very remote, little tiny village. And it was beautiful and just astounding. We flew this tiny plane up there and ended up landing on the craziest little grass runway on the side of the mountain that it looked like I don't even know how we're gonna make it to land in this little place. But then when we got there, these beautiful people were just so warm and welcoming. And they had flowers and beads on and paint on their faces. And they were just gorgeous, big smiles, wonderful people. And they weren't dressed in costume. They this was just their very best attire. And so they invited us into their meeting place. So we started walking toward this lodge, just basically a covering. And then we heard all these crazy noises like war cries and whoops and hollers. And we looked up and saw these men running at us with spears above their heads. So they're pointing these spears at us. They're, they're crying and screaming and running toward us with the spears. And the first thing you think is Oh, no, why did they invite us here are something terrible going to happen? And the closer they got, I kind of did what what you were talking about. I just was thinking through it very, very quickly. And it's like, no, we're safe. It's fine. They invited us here, I'm sure everything's fine. But it was still a very scary thing. Well, then these men ran past us, they ran right past us with the spears, and we were all fine. And the entire village just burst out into tears. They're all going yay. And this village was doing something that was so important. They were welcoming us in a way that we create a memory that we would never forget. And an adventure that we would love talking about. And that's one of my favorites because you think you're going to be run through with a spear but in so you can actually say I saw this amazing thing. And this village was so kind and so warm, and they knew enough that people love adventure and memorable moments. And I will never forget that. So that's one of the craziest things maybe that that has happened along with several others, but that one's a really great memory for me. Oh, I

Trevor Tyson  24:40  
love that. And when you said they were running towards you, I was like, Man, there might have been a rhino or a spider monkey or something behind you. Where you don't know. And that's odd analogy on my point to like, just imagine like you think they're coming at you but there could have been something behind you and it's kind of what we see with our eyes. What we see as being the worst thing that could happen might be God using someone else to protect us. And that's, that's such a unique story. i Yeah, that would be very interesting. I would never forget it. Like you see your life. Like,

Ginger Stache  25:13  
you're right, you know, like, wow, sometimes we we have fear of things because we don't know what it is really fear is all about the unknown and the results. And so you're fearing this thing that's coming toward you. But after you can have the hindsight and you see past it, you see the glory in it, you see how exciting it was, and that you're fine. And so fear is that way. So often, fear is often a false expectation of something terrible that's going to happen, and so much of the time, it doesn't go that way.

Trevor Tyson  25:47  
Yeah. And I've always wondered if you said that they had paint all over their face and such. I wonder if they look at pictures of Americans and like, look at a woman with makeup the exact same way we look at them? Well, I'm sure yeah. That's an interesting paint. Like,

Unknown Speaker  26:03  
why would they do that? Yes, definitely.

Trevor Tyson  26:05  
And one thing that I can highly relate with is that you firmly believe that we are at our best when we live with an attitude that is a life as an adventure. Yeah, I absolutely love that. And I feel like I got to thinking like going over this interview and such that, what if we were to teach children at a young age to chase adventure, and just get out of those uncomfortable are those comfortable places and step out into the uncomfortable? Like I could see, raising a child like if you think with a childlike spirit, like you start doing adventurous things, and not necessarily dangerous, but just being encouraged to step out of your comfort zone at a young age. I wonder if the depression rates, the suicide rates, just the things that are plaguing our generation at whole now, like mental health in general, if we were to step out of that, at a young age, could that shift the dynamic of it just like, with COVID-19, in the past year, the suicide rates went through the roof and, like we're taught to chase the uncomfortable things in life, like the good things that God has for us, at a young age, if that would help shift the dynamic.

Ginger Stache  27:19  
I think that's an excellent point. And there, there are so many different aspects of this to think about is what are we showing our children? Are we showing our children fear, or faith? And are we displaying to them to keep to ourselves, or are we showing them compassion, and reaching out with love and those things will change people's lives as they grow, and especially as they're raised that way, but also, I think in our lives now, we can make those shifts as well. We can start teaching our children those things, now we can start seeing our own life. And that way now, and what we think about what we focus on what we concentrate, as we all know, has so much to do with, where we will go physically what will happen in our lives, and mentally, also, what will happen for us as well. And there are so many different things that I want to be very careful to say, you know, there are important physical needs that affect our mental health that we need to get professional help. We need to see counselors, we need prayer, we need medication, whatever it may be, reach out and get the help that we need. But if you also begin tending to your own thought life in a positive way, by focusing on what God's Word says about truth, instead of even what your eyes see, or what your experience has told you, when we shift that mindset to, I want to live the adventure of where God is taking me, it will be specific for you. It may be an adventure, of creativity, or of mercy for someone else, or of making friends who really need someone or a of prayer. You know, there are so many people that think I can't get out and do anything. But the adventure of praying for other people is huge and important. And those things when we take our focus off of ourselves and our own situation. You're right, that will change us. It will change the people around us and it will change generations to come.

Trevor Tyson  29:30  
I love that. And I wrote down some names of some people that have reached out as mothers that listen to the podcast. And so I have Tara Addy and Jasmine and Erica's name written down and they all have young children. And what would as a GG as a mother, what are some things that you would encourage them to do one on one with their children that may help them to explore the wonderful life that God has for them.

Ginger Stache  29:58  
This is such a day difficult thing when you're a young mom, I remember when my kids were little, and I was juggling them and, and my career and the rest of my family and everything happening. And it is so easy to be on that treadmill of just getting through this this moment this hour this day. And I love encouraging young moms with this decision that God helped me make when I when my kids were little. And that was looking at what the Bible says, When Mary was speaking about Jesus. And she was talking about it was right after he had disappeared, remember for a few days, and he said, When they found Him in the temple, you should know I would be in my Father's house was the mother, I would say you should know you should do what I tell you to do. And don't leave when I told him, it's okay, I'd be panicked. But Mary knew that Jesus had a call on his life. And the scripture says that she treasured those things as she pondered them, and she treasured them in her heart. And so I really wanted when my children were little, to make the decision, even in the long, hard days to find something that I could treasure in my heart and remember and cherish with their childhood. And with this time as being a mom, and I'm continuing it now even as they grow older, no matter how old they are, and with my grandchildren. And it's, it's so much fun. And it's so hard some days. So whether it's just a moment where you have that tiny little hand on your face that says I love you, those are the things that really make a difference. So I love encouraging moms to take a minute play in the rain, if you have to get a little messy with your kids, you know, show them the wonder of just enjoying themselves and enjoying what God has talked about what God has created them, when they get a little older. I love the opportunity to introduce my children, to helping other people, whether it's a family in your church who has needs or an outreach in your community. And then as I got older, I got to take them overseas and show them what the world is like. And not everybody's going to do that. But we need to teach our children that we're not all the same, that we look different, we think different. But God loves us all. And we all have that need for him. So there are so many wonders along the way. I could talk about that for an entire podcast. But I think that's such a good question. And a really important point for moms to be considering how can I do this?

Trevor Tyson  32:38  
Ah, so good. There's just so much good. Even like, just as the tribe did for you creating that experience that you would remember forever, like just having the mindset, how can I do something today that my kids won't forget. And I'm a huge advocate for like, becoming financially free. And that's something I'm working on. So I even Ramsey solutions, I talk about them all the time we have them on the show, just creating those spaces to like, even teach your kids about finance. That's something help them so much along the way. I know before I was like 16, I'd taken Financial Peace University three times, which is very weird for a child. But wow, we've been fascinated with it. Like even navigating that, like how could you implement these tiny little things that will help your kids along the way to where they don't make financial mistakes, like a lot of our generation has. But another question that I have for you is how have you navigated fear, anxiety, depression along the way in your journey, because now you're on the flip side of like, you've lived such a beautiful, wonderful life, and you've had things come along the way that have been hurtful, obviously. But you've just got this amazing mindset. And for those people that are struggling with their mental health right now, what are some things that you've done to help navigate it? And aside from therapy and such, which we have a Kate add, like hardcore for on the show, but what are some things that you've had, that have helped you along the way to navigate those?

Ginger Stache  34:13  
You know, one of the things that has really helped me one of the things that I've learned through some really dark times of my own. We all react differently. And we all have kind of some basic personality traits that really affect the way we respond to situations and some people will withdraw and some people will feel isolated. And for me, I don't know why and I I hate to admit this, but I tend to get angry. When when I'm dealing with things I get mad because I can't control it. I get mad because it's injustice. I hate injustice. So that's one of those things that really gets to me. And then the next unfortunate step is I have in The past often gotten angry at God, because he didn't do what I wanted him to do. And when you think about how childish that is, you know, it's just like, God told Joe, where were you, when I created the stars in the sky, you know, I know what I'm doing, I don't need you to tell me how to do it. And yet, I would get so bogged down. And so I'm just in a dark place because of this anger, that I would allow to build up a wall between me and God. And so I really had to learn that the only thing to do in a situation like that you get to a place where it's just a fog, and you can't see any of the good around you, you can't see the good in your own life and your own family, anything else, because you're overwhelmed by the situation that that you can't get your mind off of. And after quite a bit of patience on God's part, really, and just allowing me to work through those things. I'm very grateful that I gave God that anger that I learned that he can take it, He's big enough for my anger, he knows it already. We can't hide these things from him. So there's no point in trying to fake it. There's no point in trying to act like everything's okay. When it's not, let's be vulnerable, with God, and with the people that we love, let's, let's just be honest with ourselves and with other people. And the more I did that, the more I saw that God was still right there, loving me probably shaking his head and you know, be really annoyed at times, but never disgusted or so angry at me that he would turn his back. It wasn't like that, in my anger, he was loving. And what I had as a barrier, he saw as possibilities for what he would teach me and where he would take me through it. So he really has pulled me through some of those dark times like that, by my persistency, and his persistency. And eventually, us coming back together, and knowing that God will still be there for you, no matter how long it takes, no matter what is happening in your life, no matter what it is, whether it's fear, or anger, or isolation that you've put yourself in a place where you don't feel like you couldn't let anybody in. God is there waiting, and he'll be there when you're ready to come out of it.

Trevor Tyson  37:30  
That's so good. And the last thing I really want to bring into this conversation is for the anxious or depressed, how would you express hope into their current life? Why to those who feel like their mental health issues are more than they can bear and too strong to pursue the adventures that God has for them? What is that one little bit of hope that you would press another life today?

Ginger Stache  37:53  
You know, I like I told you earlier, I love to talk about joy. I believe that God has joy for all of us. But before we can think about joy, there are so many times in our lives that in our lives, that we are really just thinking about survival that we're just thinking about, I just want to be okay. And I think it's important to realize that it's alright not to always be okay. And that the joy will come later. But right now you need hope more than anything else. And you need something to hope in. And I have seen, like I said, so many terrible situations have sat with mothers and held babies as they were dying of starvation in their arms. And there was nothing that those mothers could do. And you talk about a hopeless, desperate situation. And I've really learned through that, that the only the only opportunity for hope is to cry out to God. Because in those times, there have been many, many times to be just completely honest, that I have seen it go the way I didn't want it to go, where we've lost people that we've loved where mothers have lost their children. But I remember one situation in particular, were a little girl who wore a purple scarf in Ethiopia, and she was beautiful. And I'll never forget her beautiful face and that purple scarf. And we had helped her and she was on the verge of death. And then she was doing so much better. Then we got the news that we lost her that she didn't make it. Then again, I was angry and upset and hopeless. And then we went back there and I saw her mom with another little girl with a purple scarf and I thought were they wrong? Did we get the wrong information is that her? And then I saw that this was the younger sister of that little girl. We have to hold on to hope because there's always the next situation. There's always the next person who needs our love and needs our hope. So the only place that we can find that hope is in Christ and in what He does and in his faithful undying love for us and what he did for us. And even when situations don't go the way that we want it to, we need to be able to make a turn and say, Okay, God, I've seen you work in the past. I know you're a good loving God, because the word tells me that this one did not go the way that I wanted it to. And I'm heartbroken, but give me hope for the next situation. So I encourage anybody who's in a hopeless place right now forget about joy, you know, forget about your adventures right now. But look toward the hope that God has for you and just start by asking him that question. What if I wonder, I wonder God, if I gave you the chance? Would you show me a glimpse of your wonder, would you show me a glimpse of hope today, and when we're praying for that he begins to do it for us and it does grow from there into beautiful things.

Trevor Tyson  40:56  
Wow. This conversation has just been so healing just for me personally, and I know for our listeners as well, our friends that tune in every week and it it's becoming just us becoming that wonderful person that God's created us to be that's gonna help us navigate through the hard things in life and for all of our friends listening, just take this advice from Ginger. She's, she's offering it to us and she has the book out chasing wonder which honestly, it's not even a sales pitch. It's just like this conversation has been so healing I can't wait to read the book myself. So you all can find ginger on all social media platforms at ginger l stocky, and we'll have the link for that in the description, as well as the link for her new book chasing wonder which is in stores everywhere. Ginger, thank you so much for taking time out of your day to join us and just offer this amazing insight. I genuinely feel so good. And it's just like taking a deep breath. And now we can walk through life a little bit more hopeful than we did before. So thank you for offering that.

Ginger Stache  42:01  
Absolutely. Trevor, thank you so much. I've really enjoyed it. I've loved getting to know you a little bit better to you've got some really great insight. So I appreciate having this conversation with you.

Trevor Tyson  42:13  
Praise God. Thank you so much again and everyone that's listening. Thank you so much. Be sure to go check out our friends who made this episode possible over at new release today and we will talk to you guys next week.

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Ginger is the chief creative officer at Joyce Meyer Ministries and can be seen on Joyce’s Enjoying Everyday Life program and hosting Joyce Meyer’s Talk It Out podcast. She is a miner of the best in people, the creative approach, beauty in all things, and joy in each day. She's an unashamed sci-fi nerd, loves kids’ giggles, laughing till she cries, and shoes.

She is also a mom, a Gigi, and everyone’s friend. She lives in Missouri with her husband and one small, twitchy puppy. They have two beautiful grown daughters and two spectacular grandchildren.